Close your eyes, take a deep breath in, and imagine your team operating at peak performance, exceeding goals and each member feeling and working at their best. Now, breathe out, letting out a sigh of relief knowing that's fully within the realm of possibility — through mindset training.
In this episode of the Global Medical Device Podcast, Jon Speer talks to Kevin Bailey, mindset coach and founder of Dreamfuel, a mindset coaching solution for high growth companies.
Kevin is the mindset coach for Greenlight Guru and has worked with Jon and Greenlight Guru employees over the years by providing mindfulness tools and techniques that teams can use to improve overall mindset.
Listen to what Jon has learned from this mindset training and how the medical device community, too, can benefit from engaging in mindset practices at work.
Some highlights of this episode include:
- Being the CEO of a high-growth startup proved to take a whole other level of work that required mental strength and resilience. Kevin used mental models to reframe experiences and have a more positive attitude while leading people.
- CEO Cues: Feeling motivated or burnt out? How is the business doing? People follow their leaders and want to boost productivity and camaraderie.
- Working with Kevin from Dreamfuel has changed the world for Jon and his colleagues, as well as other companies trying to do great things, make a difference, and feel better.
- Mindset is an important practice for success in a company. About 95% of thoughts are subconscious and automatic, like a heartbeat. Also, 70-80% of those thoughts and actions are negative, disempowering, limiting beliefs.
- A measurable difference, consistency, and alignment of peak performance can be achieved by companies, executives, and staff via neuroscience principles.
- The stigma around meditation is stopping people who need it from doing it. What’s the goal? There’s no outcome you are going for in meditation.
- Acknowledge and let go of thoughts spinning in your mind because dopamine (pleasure) and serotonin (joy, happiness, and presence) create a balanced mind.
- Your breath controls your physiology, and your physiology heavily influences how you feel, how you think, and what you do. If you can control your physiology, it’s easier to control your thinking and behaviors. Breathe rhythmically and smoothly.
Memorable quotes by Kevin Bailey:
“Mindset is such an important practice for success in a company.”
“We’re trying to kind of take these practices that have been utilized for ions to help people be happier and perform better, wrap them with some neuroscience, so that people can accept and understand them, but there’s still that stigma.”
“There’s no outcome you’re going for in meditation. You purely do meditation to do meditation.”
“Your breath controls your physiology, and your physiology heavily influences how you feel, how you think, what you do.”
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Jon Speer: A few years ago, I discovered mindset and meditation and the importance of breath work. And for the past few years, I and many of my colleagues at Greenlight Guru, have been working with a mindset coach. His name's Kevin Bailey, he's with Dreamfuel and I thought it was worth sharing some of the things that I've learned and that Kevin teaches with the medical device community. I hope you enjoy this episode of the Global Medical Device podcast. Hello and welcome to the global medical device podcast, now with video. This is your host and founder Greenlight Guru Jon Speer. Joining me today is gentlemen that I think you'll figured out my fondness for him as we talk today and there's a lot of reasons for that. But joining me is Kevin Bailey. Kevin is the founder and well, we'll just stick with founder of Dreamfuel. Kevin, welcome.
Kevin Bailey: Thanks, Jon. Good to be here, man.
Jon Speer: All right. The reason that Kevin and I talk every couple of weeks or so and Kevin has been working with the Greenlight team now for a while, how long have you been working with us?
Kevin Bailey: Since 2016. Since you guys were...
Jon Speer: Yeah, the early days.
Kevin Bailey: Thousands of percent growth before.
Jon Speer: Kevin's specialty, if you will, is he works with many people on our team on mindset meditation and breathing and all these things that well I'll confess when Kevin first came in and we started doing this, some of these things, I'm like, that's a little woo woo, isn't it? And then you do it and you're like, oh my goodness, it makes a difference. Kevin, how did you get into mindset work? And why in the world would you get into mindset work and try to work with tech teams on meditation, breathing, things of that nature? What's the big deal?
Kevin Bailey: Yeah. I really got into mindset when I was a CEO of a high growth startup called Second when I was in my twenties. And I was amazed at just the mental toll that that role took on me and how strong I had to be mentally. I didn't even understand what mental strength really was and resilience. I play some sports and stuff like that, but it was a whole nother level and I was challenged a lot. And I ended up meeting a neuroscientist, Dr. Diane Powell, who started just giving me some tools and some tricks that I could use to work on the mental models that helped me reframe the experiences I was going through and have a more positive attitude as I was leading people. And those people were kind of taking cues from me about how the business was doing and was I motivated on a given day or not? And it really kept me from burning out and it also hired me and then I started a meditation practice at that point also, that ended up going very deep. And people like the CEO of Greenlight David and you started asking me what I was doing and then started asking me," Hey, is this something you'd consider teaching to my team?" Specifically with you guys it was your sales team. You guys were wanting to kind of boost camaraderie, boost the numbers on your sales team. And that was when the whole experiment started. And that was back in 2016.
Jon Speer: Yeah, and from then until now, you've been working with a lot of our team, some of our dev teams, some of our marketing teams, some of our customer success teams. And I can tell you anyone who's worked with you in the program, it changes their world. It did the same for me. And that's part of why I wanted to bring you on to the Global Medical Device podcast, because I know there's a lot of folks listening, a lot of people out there, a lot of companies that are trying to do great things, and we're trying to do great things at Greenlight and I truly believe that working with you, mindset breathing and just some different techniques that have made a big difference. If nothing else, we felt better.
Kevin Bailey: And I try and get down to the basics of why mindset is such an important practice for success in a company. A lot of people don't realize this, but there's been a number of different studies that have kind of tried to get at this. But you could say approximately 95% of your thoughts are subconscious. And that means they're kind of automatic programs running on autopilot, kind of looping in your head. And you can hear them if you really pay attention, certainly if you meditate you hear them all the time, but you're not consciously firing those thoughts off. They're being actually fired at you like a heartbeat. If you look at an electroencephalogram, you'll see, it's just, it's like a heartbeat. It's just thoughts constantly cycling. And other studies that have looked at those thoughts have found that somewhere around 70 to 80% of those thoughts are negative, disempowering, limiting beliefs. Your average person out there, 95% of their thoughts are on autopilot, unconscious, subconscious, right below sub, little sub perceptual thought. And the majority of those which are actually controlling your behaviors and your actions and the way you treat people are negative, limiting. Telling you things like, deserve this, money doesn't grow on trees. Firing things at you that as a high growth entrepreneur, you really don't want to hear coming from yourself. And those thoughts then permeate to kind of your non- verbals. The vast majority of communication is non- verbal. You can say one thing, you can say you're excited, you believe in the company, you believe in your mission and stuff, but if you have those negative thoughts firing off in your head constantly, your non- verbals aren't going to match. And frankly, the way that I characterize it as it's most people that don't do mindset work and that's pretty much at this point, most people who aren't professional athletes. Professional athletes do a lot of mindset work and some top executives, but most people aren't. This is very early stage stuff right now. They're beating their head against a wall. And the wall that they're beating their head against is their subconscious mind. All the programs that were taught to them, disempowering and they're trying to get through and past these limiting beliefs. And it is exhausting. Much energy is wasted on it. And my thing, like why waste the energy? Just get those out of the way, clear the path and it's so much easier as I think you've experienced and many of the executives and salespeople and stuff I work with.
Jon Speer: Yeah. The whole idea of what we're trying to do and I would imagine many of those listening is it's about peak performance. And especially if you have a team it's important for that team to have similar points of view or similar objectives and missions. Alignment is probably a good word. The mindset work that you've done with our teams improve our peak performance. Numbers don't lie. And from the time, if we can look at, I don't have them memorized in this moment, but we can look at our team's performance before and after working with you and Dreamfuel and there's a difference, a measurable difference.
Kevin Bailey: Thank you, man. I think you brought up a good point there, which is about consistency across the team. The nice thing about the mindset work that we've been doing and that we do with all of our clients is that it's really grounded in neuroscience. These fundamentals and principles of performance and more importantly, happiness are rooted in science. When your team gets aligned around having a balanced mindset or whatever we may be working on at a given time, to be higher performance and more happy, there's nothing mystical about it. It's just, these are the proven practices that, like I said, in most cases, professional athletes are using right now to perform at the very top of their game. Why wouldn't executives and teams use it? And when a whole team gets aligned around these principles, you take gratitude for example and the various practices we do around gratitude. When a whole team gets aligned around those, everybody knows where they're trying to go with their mindset and then they can use that. And it obviously parlays into making better decisions about how to handle leadership, a given objective they're working on, a sales call, whatever. These things are very rooted in science.
Jon Speer: Yeah. And tapping into that, it's the untapped potential that I don't know where it isn't happening in the world today. But I know growing up in the United States, talking about mindset meditation, it's more common today, but let's just say in my formative years, we didn't talk about that. Maybe I heard meditation and you think of some guy on top of the mountain sitting.
Kevin Bailey: Let's have this conversation. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. We just got published in Ink. You guys got published and you mentioned the impact that mindset had on Greenlight's culture. And it started off, the author of the article, kind of talked about how it's kind of strange and you guys are looking for the people with the right energy to join the company and stuff like that. And I think we're trying to kind of take these practices that have been utilized for eons to help people be happier and perform better, wrap them with some neuroscience so that people can accept and understand them. But there's still that stigma around what you just mentioned. It's like, but there's still people that think meditation is for hippies or something. And they haven't read the hundreds of stories now in Harvard Business Review and other places talking about top executives meditating. Let's unpack that a little bit, man. I wanted to talk further about that because I think it's stopping people who need this stuff from doing it. And I want to pierce that veil. I would like to really help people understand.
Jon Speer: I remember, must go, I don't know, 20 years ago, something like that. I read a book. I think the book sometimes chooses me. I don't think I choose the book, but anyway, in this case I don't remember the title or exactly the author, but it was about meditation and mindset and these sorts of things. And this is way before you and I ever met, I read it. It was kind of cool. And I was like, oh, I want to try to meditate. And so I sat there and my mind never shut off. And I thought that I failed. And I think a lot of other people have that same sort of experience when they go to meditate. What are your thoughts about reactions to that?
Kevin Bailey: It's really funny. That's a really deep topic and a good one. I remember when I first started meditating, this was a while ago, maybe 15, 20 years. And my meditation coach was somebody who trained under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who is the same guy who to trained the Beatles how to meditate and kind of actually brought the Beatles out of that whole psychedelic phase, kind of replaced that with meditation, which is interesting in itself. But I was a very high stress, very high energy CEO at that time. And I would meditate and I'd always talk to Rich," What am I trying to do here? What's the goal? What am I trying to achieve here? I want to be calmer." I'm struggling, I need that calm pill or something. Rich would kind of look at me and he'd kind of, when's the last time you did something that you didn't have an outcome that you were trying to go after? When's the last time you just did something purely for the sake of doing it purely for the joy? And he was a former fighter pilot in Vietnam and he had PTSD that he cured with meditation. He would always tell me, after every meditation, I'd get done. I'd be like," No Rich, I'm not feeling much calmer." I had a bunch of thoughts, anxiety. And he just looked at me and be like," Good." And then I would get done the meditation and be like," That was nice. I feel calmer. This is great." He'd be like," Good." And he'd be like," There's no outcome you're going for in meditation. You purely do meditation to do meditation." And it took me a long time to understand why that was so important. I finally started to kind of follow it and I was like, cool. I had meditation, a lot of thoughts and I didn't get much calmer, but I started to understand that I was actually cycling through thoughts and it was kind of like I was closing tabs in a browser. At the end of the meditation, even though I had a lot of thoughts, I felt more free. I felt lighter. And I started realizing you're basically taking these subconscious thoughts and as a neuroscientist, that's how you're depotentiating these really overly excited neural networks in your brain that have been spinning for eons. Why did Billy steal my toy when I was five? What a jerk. And it's like, why am I thinking about this? And it's like, because it's been spinning in the back of your mind for 20.
Jon Speer: Running. It's been running the whole time.
Kevin Bailey: You just never acknowledged it. And now that you acknowledged that you can actually let it go. And I realized another thing too, which is there's two different primary neurotransmitters that you're working with that generally create a balanced mind. You have dopamine, the dopamine reward system, which is very future oriented. And it's really never satisfied, it's always goading us to do more, to do more, to do more. And then on the other side you have serotonin. Dopamine is the neurotransmitter of pleasure and serotonin and what they call the here and now molecules like serotonin, those are the molecules of joy and happiness and presence. And at that point in my career, I was just running dopamine. I never did anything for the sake of just purely enjoying it. I was always just very future focused, maybe working out potentially was something I did for the joy of it. And meditation, one of the big points is helping us produce more serotonin receptors in our brain so that we actually can naturally feel more present and naturally enjoy our lives more. And in order for that to happen, you can't go into meditation wanting to achieve something because then you're actually going after a dopamine hit for meditation. And that's not the point. Children produce about 200% or have the capability to produce serotonin than adults. And the reason is because we get addicted to dopamine and those receptors for serotonin don't have much of a purpose anymore. Meditation is the practice of doing something for the sake of doing it. And then ultimately building a more serotonin oriented body that is more present, that finds more joy in the day to day, mundane activities of life. And that ultimately as an executive can finish the giant marathon that is our career without boring out and flipping your career around and chasing butterflies, shiny objects constantly. That's, I know it was a little long winded there.
Jon Speer: No, it's good.
Kevin Bailey: But that's meditation.
Jon Speer: Yeah. I dig it. Folks, want to remind you, I'm talking with Kevin Bailey. Kevin is the founder of Dreamfuel. He's been working with us at Greenlight for a while on mindset, meditation, breathing, things of that nature. Kevin, tell us a little bit more about Dreamfuel and where folks can learn more about your program and some of the things that you do.
Kevin Bailey: Yeah. Dreamfuel, I'm a tech founder, I founded a few businesses in the past and Dreamfuel's really my passion project. It's the company that I'm most passionate about that I'm really, I just love it. What we do is we work with teams and individuals to kind of, I think it's funny, it's one of these situations where you can have your cake and eat it too, to increase happiness at the same time. To increase, whatever department I'm working with, we're either increasing sales numbers, maybe we're increasing speed at which the dev turns around products or engineering teams, the speed at which they work. And then also at the same time, helping teams enjoy themselves more, have more fun. And that's that serotonin I was just talking about. It is neuroscience based and mindfulness techniques to increase performance and increase happiness with teams and individuals. And they've had great success. Obviously you guys are good example, but working with many, many companies. Right now, primarily tech companies, because that's kind of where my experience is. But yeah, just having an absolute blast.
Jon Speer: Yeah, absolutely. And folks, you can find out more about Dreamfuel. It's pretty easy. Go to dreamfuelcoaching.com, all one word spaces, some different videos, articles and things of that nature. And it's just good stuff. While we're taking a break, I want to remind folks, Greenlight Guru, we're here to help. We have the only medical device success platform on the market today. It's a tool and a solution and workflows that are designed specifically and exclusively for medical device companies by actual medical device professionals. And we work with our customers to help them achieve all sorts of greatness from regulatory clearance so that they can get their product to the market, to attaining ISO certification and so on and so forth. I would encourage you to check it out if you haven't already done so, www.greenlight.guru. And if you like what you see and you'd like to learn more, we'd love to have a conversation with you and understand your requirements and your needs and see if we have products and solutions that can help you. Kevin, as we get back into the sort of the tail end of our conversation today, I often try to frame some of these conversations, certainly where applicable, where we can give listeners pragmatic tips and pointers. We haven't really talked about breathing yet. I think there's a book by James Nester, I think it's called Breathe or Breath or something. Have you read that?
Kevin Bailey: I have not, but I've certainly heard about it.
Jon Speer: It was interesting to me because there's a lot of science to breathing. There's a ton of science and I underappreciated it, you're teaching these different techniques. You're like, try the pranayama. Let's do the Wim Hof. Let's do the box. And I'm like, what is all this stuff? But I guess breathing, what is important about that? And what can people do about it?
Kevin Bailey: Yeah. I'm glad we're talking about it. It's one of those simple and fundamental ways to change the way you show up in any given situation. And the reason is is that your breath controls your physiology and your physiology heavily influences how you feel, how you think and what you do. The physiology is kind of the base root layer of all of it. It's kind of the alpha dominant thing. If you can control your physiology, it's not very hard to then your thinking, control your behaviors. Just a real simple thing to understand about breathing for your listeners. If you take longer exhales than inhales, it will calm you down. If you take longer inhales and exhales, it will hype you up. It's super simple. If you just take, right now, if you just breathe in and then breathe out a longer breath. Take a nice, easy breath in.
Jon Speer: And folks, this is one of those things you got to be patient.
Kevin Bailey: And breathe out a longer breath.
Jon Speer: This is patience a little bit. Takes a few cycles. You're not going to get instantaneous results after one breath. It's going to take a few cycles.
Kevin Bailey: Normally it takes, I don't know, couple minutes, but you'll find yourself being calming down tremendously if you just take longer exhales than inhales. And again, if you want to hype up longer inhales than exhales. Longer exhales than inhales hype up, longer inhales than exhales. You can actually calm yourself down, I call it. That's kind of like letting your foot off the accelerator in a car and it'll just calm you down. You can actually put the brakes on and all you got to do to put the brakes on in your physiology is do, they call it a physiological sigh. You kind of take a deep breath. It's like a double breath. You take a deep breath in and then at the top you take another quick breath and then you just sigh out. If you just do that once you can feel the impact. But if you do that three, four times in a row, it just gets deeper and deeper. That's from a neuroscience standpoint, the most studied fastest way to calm down is just do some sighs. And it makes sense. You sigh, when you have relief and when you sigh, it tells your body that whatever you were dealing with is over and you can have relief. That's a quick one to remember, if you want to calm down, your heart's racing, do a sigh, do two sighs. You'll calm down pretty quick.
Jon Speer: The other one that I like is the box breathing and I think everyone thinks about it. And if you thought about breathing, you think about, oh, inhale, exhale, but there's inhale, hold, exhale, hold as an option as well. And then that's, box breathing is I'm going to inhale for just say a four count. I'm going to hold for a four count. I'm going to exhale for a four count. And I'm going to hold for a four count and then repeat. Those spaces in between the inhalation and exhalation in certain times and circumstances, I found that that hold is really important too. What are your thoughts about box breathing? When is that a good situation to use that?
Kevin Bailey: Yeah, so that's actually box breathing's pretty cool. It's pretty well known at this point that the Navy SEALs use box breathing to stay calm both when they're going into combat and even during combat because it's kind of easy and it keeps you focused and the holds are interesting. I can tell you this, no matter what breathing exercise that you do, if you consistently breathe rhythmically and smoothly, those two variables, rhythmically, so you're kind of timing the inhales, holds and exhales and smoothly, it creates coherence between the systems in your body and the organs, biological oscillators. They're all resonating at different frequencies. They all have different beats. Your heart has a beat. Your spleen has a beat. Your kidneys have a beat. And when you breathe, that's the ultimate, that's the drummer. If you breathe at a rhythmic, smooth beat, your heart then will beat rhythmically and smoothly. You won't have those flutters and stuff. And then your heart holds kind of is the biggest biological oscillator in your body, has the most horsepower, more or less. And every other organ in your body will tune to the heart like a tuning fork. And then your whole body starts to become more kind of a symphony and everything kind of works together. And it's that feeling of your body feeling in coordination that actually makes you feel calm. Whenever you feel calm it's because all of your organs are kind of functioning in this nice symphony. Your whole biology is kind of working in coordination. And when you feel disturbed, you feel uncomfortable. You freaked out, that's because all the organs in your body are not synced up. Your heartbeat, your brainwaves, your kidney, your spleen, all of it's kind of out of whack. And that makes you feel uncomfortable. Just know your feelings are entirely based on your physiology and breathing rhythmically and smoothly like box breathing, makes your whole physiology get coordinated. And when the physiology is coordinated, your body goes, oh, things are okay, he's calm, he's comfortable. Things are good. And then you have positive thoughts.
Jon Speer: Obviously breathing is pretty important, but I wanted to talk a little bit about that because some of the first meditations, a lot of times that people will try is a breath meditation, a breath awareness type of thing. But it's a simple thing. I think even I heard this once. I don't remember what you type in. You might know this, but if you go to the internet and you go to Google and you're talking about breath exercise or something, I think there's a little thing that pops up from Google that it's a minute breathing exercise and you click on it and it'll take you through kind of a guided little breath exercise. I guess to kind of, as we wrap things up today, I got distracted by the little Google thing that I remembered. But as far as breath work's important, what is, in your opinion, the one or two single biggest things that a person can do in their everyday life to improve upon mindset and how they feel? Is there one thing? And I know everybody's looking for the silver bullet or the magic wand. Maybe it's not that, but what are some tips you can leave the audience with?
Kevin Bailey: Yeah, I'm going to leave them with a simple and they probably already heard before, but maybe not executed very well. You can think of your brain, you have these different neural networks. When I talked about the 70% of your brain that typically is wired with thoughts that are disempowering. You can think of that as a neural network in your brain. It's obviously a lot of different neural networks, but you could kind of classify it as the scarcity mindset, the fixed mindset. And then you have the growth mindset. The 30% that's positive. You can think of that it's growth mindset, the abundance mindset. And what a lot of people don't understand with the brain is that it's basically like a muscle. You have to work it out. You're maybe not, you're not building muscle fibers, obviously in your brain, but you are building neurons and it's neuroplasticity and neurogenesis, you're building new networks in your brain. And in order to build those networks, you have to work them out and you have to actually get a little bit emotional. Emotion tends to create neuroplasticity and we're not going to get into potentiation of neurons and how all that works, but know that you got to kind of get emotional with these exercises. You have to practice. You can't say," Oh, I'm going to go into a meeting feeling positive and just be positive." You have to build the neural networks of positivity in your brain. And if you do it, you'll build strong networks and maybe you rebalance that equation. You become more of a positive person than a negative person. But it's just like going to the gym. I prescribe 15 minutes a day of mental fitness. And if you want to let's say the basic fundamental get started on practice, it's gratitude journaling. Gratitude is the emotion of abundance, the emotion of growth. It is the emotion of receiving. You want to win, you want to receive good things in your life, be more grateful. That practice itself, if you just do it for like, I don't know, even five, 10 minutes every day, it's like going to the gym and working the abundance, the growth mindset within your brain to hopefully turn it into a super highway that all the electrical impulses in your brain want to go down instead of going down the scarcity network. You're strengthening, you're building new neurons. You're building more connections and it's such a simple practice. Literally just get a journal, at the end of the day, just think about your day. And you just write from your, say from your heart, from your intuition, write about what you're grateful for, what happened. And then you can go back in the past, think about things that happened a long time ago that you're grateful for. And we don't have time to get all of this, but you can go forward in the future. You can start writing gratitude for things that you plan to do or things that you expect to happen. In our society, we are not a gratitude oriented society. We have Thanksgiving, but most of the time we're like, we're not good enough. If you just spend five to 10 minutes a day working out that gratitude network, you're going to run some serotonin, you're going to build the abundance neural networks in your brain. Hopefully over time you start to become a more optimistic person.
Jon Speer: Yeah. I can tell you, I don't do it daily all the time. I do it often. I should do it daily, but I forget myself for not doing it every single day as well. But the gratitude journaling is really key. Just do it. Set a timer for a few minutes a day and don't worry about what you're writing down. I'm thankful, I appreciate this seagull decoration that's on my table. That's okay if you have a mental block. Just look around your room. You got something in there that you appreciate and you're grateful for. Don't overthink it.
Kevin Bailey: Yeah. And like I said, it gets easier. In the beginning it can almost feel inauthentic and not natural, but that's because those networks are so atrophied. But as you keep doing it, you start to build strength. I'm benching whatever, 300 on gratitude. You'll start to see it more.
Jon Speer: It's like anything that we do, the first time you did something, I'm going to guess you weren't an expert and excelling at it. This is the same sort of thing. I think remembering the breath work is important. Gratitude journaling is important. And I think these exercises, if you start to do those on a consistent basis, naturally lead you to other things of interest, like maybe different types of meditation, but I'm going to tell you folks, little secret. You do a little bit of breath work, some box breathing or shorter inhale then an exhale or the opposite and you do that for a few cycles. Hey, give yourself a hand. You just did some meditation. Gratitude journaling, hey, you just did some meditation. Don't worry about the label so much, just be appreciative for what we have, be grateful for what we have. Final thoughts before we call this one a wrap today.
Kevin Bailey: Yeah. I think it's just going to re- emphasize the point, it is mental fitness. If you want to be a higher performance person, enjoy your life more you just have to set aside five, 10 minutes a day to do any of these techniques. And there's plenty of resources out there to learn these. I'm happy, if you want your team to perform higher and be happier, I'm happy to help guide you guys on that. Just go to dreamfuelcoaching.com. But for you personally, set five, 10 minutes a day, do the workouts and I think you'll just be absolutely amazed. It fundamentally changes the way you operate.
Jon Speer: So much emphasis these days on nutrition, nutrition is important. A lot of emphasis on exercise, physical exercise also important, but we forget about the mental exercise. As Kevin said, this also needs to get worked out.
Kevin Bailey: You get this right, you'll get the fitness right, you'll get the eating right. This controls everything so you've got to get that right. We got it backwards.
Jon Speer: We got it backwards.
Kevin Bailey: You got to get this way first. Energy before action.
Jon Speer: Energy before action. Kevin, thank you so much. I wanted to share some of what you've done for me personally, with those who listen to the Global Medical Device podcast. I think this was a sort of a great primer to get folks thinking about this topic. Thank you so much.
Kevin Bailey: You're welcome, Jon. Thank you so much.
Jon Speer: Kevin Bailey, the founder of Dreamfuel. Check it out, dreamfuelcoaching.com. Lots of stuff there. You'll be able to find out how to get a hold of him. But Kevin works with teams and can put together a program for you and your team to help with culture, performance, attitude, all of those sorts of things that really are important for high growth individuals and high growth companies. Check it out. And again, thank you so much for being loyal listeners of the Global Medical Device podcast, the number one podcast on the medical device industry and that's all thanks to you. Our marketing team shared with me the other day that we passed an amazing milestone recently. We've had over half a million downloads. Thank you all for listening and for sharing with your friends and colleagues. This is your host and founder at Greenlight Guru, Jon Speer and you have been listening to the Global Medical Device podcast.
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